Super Smash Bros Brawl

[Flarey]

It seems that quite a few of us like this game, so I think it deserves it own thread.

In this thread, we can discuss the various characters that we use or like, how we play, or offer advice for people having trouble. We can even discuss things back in Melee if people wish.

Personally, I use Zero Suit Samus and Marth as my main, although I try to use every character.

List of players:

Flarey: Zero Suit Samus, Marth

Iia: Peach, Meta Knight, Ike, Lucario

Shinichi: Marth, Ike, Rob, Meta Knight, King Dedede, Ness, Lucas, Snake

Ryoga: Pit, Marth

Onisnake: Pit, Ike, Snake

Sexonthebeach: Link

Mislead Prophet: Wolf

Loopy: Snake, Ike

Regression: Olimar, Peach

Stupidnoobs: Sheik, Zelda

Blinghop: Marth, Ike, Snake, Pikachu, Sonic

DarkRunner00: Marth, Snake, Ike, Snake, Ike, Wolf

Hentai719: Samus, Snake

Xeris2: Link

[zeldalover13]

I'm not certain so I won't move it but I think this thread should be in the games subforum in the share Zones rather than Movies/General Entertainment..

[IIA]

how on earth did I know that it would be Marth on your list XD

Myself I like Peach, Meta Knight, Ike and Lucario most as my character. i first thought Lucario sucked but then I found out that his power rises when he's taken damage

[Flarey]

Why would Marth not be on my list. XD

http://www.ugo.com/games/super-smash-bros-characters/images/marth.jpg <--- HOT!!! <3

As a side note, I chose to make this thread here in the General Entertainments because the Share Zone mostly deals with hentai material.

[IIA]

just referring to your sig at that other forum...

marth is the type you bishie-lovers like, I know. but are you actually good with him? I could throw zs samus on my list just for the looks factor but I play those four better than her...

[Flarey]

Most people don't realize this, but I'm actually a competitive player. ^_~

Back in Melee, I was one of those people who used Wave-dashing, L-canceling, and Teching like they were second nature. Marth was my deadliest character back then, and he still is now, except it is harder to execute combos in Brawl. I'm not at the level of professionals yet, but I can easily defeat most normal players.

In addition, I'm not above using the gender stereotype to prey on my opponents. People tend to underestimate me because I'm a girl, and I like to keep them thinking that by keeping the match close and not playing at my full abilities. My friends are the only ones who know my true capabilities.

Overall, I can be scary if I play seriously, but generally I like to take it easy and have fun. ^_^

[IIA]

whoa, that's kinda scary ya seem to be better than me as I have not played the smash bros series quite that much. I never did own melee but I've played my share of it

so ya know marth. that's good i play better with meta knight or ike than peach anyways. and I think it's stupid to judge by gender. my sis pretty hardcore at games as well

[shinichi]

im a huge fan of ssbb, perhaps we need to get a little online get-together for ssbb? a time where we can laugh as we crush each other into oblivion?

oh and my favorite characters are: marth, ike, rob, meta-knight, king dedede, ness, lucas, and snake...

yea, i like a lot of characters, lol

[Ryoga_Kiwamu]

I want to be good with Marth too.
I have fallen a bit for Pit, I like his moves.
When I play with a friend of mine he beats me every time with all the characters (even Pichu back in melee).

[onisnake]

i play as pit and ike in competetive play. snake for fun. im good with all, but pit and ike excel as my best

[Flarey]

I like to use everyone when I play for fun, but generally I tend to lean towards the close combat characters.

It just feels more satisfying and enjoyable when you are actually fighting others physically, while taking damage in return. I think it is more fun than if you keep your opponents away with projectiles.

Anyway, I can offer suggestions to anyone for about any character if people want to get better.

[Ryoga_Kiwamu]

today I had some friends over and we played brawl and I rocked with Snake.
It was awesome using mines and C4:hihi:

[sexonthebeach]

MY favorite 1 is LINK
i thinck he got lots of usefull attack, GO for LINK !!!!

[shinichi]

noone really gave feedback on what i mentioned, instead of talking about it, lets play each other >.<

[Flarey]

Unfortunately, it is impossible for me to play online. The school internet automatically blocks Wi-Fi, so I can only play against people on the same Wii.

I will see if I can upload some of my matches, though.

[Mislead Prophet]

The Wifi connection for the wii isn't always too reliable. I live in Maryland and was playing someone in the state and in New York, and the lag made it pretty hard to have a fair and decent match.

But besides the Wifi, the game is amazing.

The first two weeks I had it, I couldn't put it down.

And I love Wolf... He may be a cheap bastard, but oh, his evilness is lovely.

[bb12345]

I don't get why this game lags so horribly with wi-fi when you can play 11 people from around the globe on mario kart with no lag at all.

[Loopy]

I often alternate between Snake and Ike. Even though Snake's Finisher sucks, he's cool on his own, and Ike is all awesome no matter what.

[regression]

true that. I use olimar and peach. haha go olimar

[stupidnoobs]

I Use Sheik/Zelda. She has a Wicked Smash Attack.
http://gaygamer.net/images/sheik_080116d-l.jpg
look at that form.

[blinghop]

I'm a marth, ike, snake, pikachu, and sonic player. Fun fun fun. However, In my playing group pit has been permabanned since he is so rediculously overpowered. God i hate pit haha

[kinder]

personnaly i use kirby, peach and lucario because of their powerfull final smash espacelly peach's one which is very helpfull if you want to recover some health

[Ryoga_Kiwamu]

Kirbi is sooooo cute
Hoshi no Kaabi!

I don't have wireless internet so I have to get a mile long cable to fit in the Wii.

[Mislead Prophet]

I... Dont think there is a port to cable connect... Less I stupidly looked over it, like... millions of times.

[Flarey]

My friends and I usually play by tournament rules. No items, three stocks, 8:00 timer, and only on the tournament legal stages.

We have completed every other aspect of the game. It took a while, but we have collected every CD, trophy, and sticker, as well as completed all of the challenges without using a single hammer. Now, we are just honing our skills.

[shinichi]

i play with friends a lot, we do 5 stock matches though instead of 3, but we always play with random characters, the best way to get good is to know every characters streangths and weaknesses

[Flarey]

I like to play random when I just want to have fun, and we are not training against each other. That is when we generally fool around. ^_^

[Ryoga_Kiwamu]

I... Dont think there is a port to cable connect... Less I stupidly looked over it, like... millions of times.

mine have a cable thingie hole in it, ah I love being high Tech:hihi:

[DarkRunner00]

1v1: Marth, Snake, Ike (Pikachu, Link, TL, Fox, Falco)
2v2: Snake, Ike, Wolf

I main Snake, alt Marth. Blind Ike.

Pikachu, Link, Toon Link and Fox/Falco are characters i play as in my casual circle. They are also character I'm developing. Where as my Ike, Marth, and Snake are tournament level already. (Ike is balls... so I never actually use him for tourney matches. If I do, just for blinds.

Doubles matches. Fox/Falco aren't that good so I work with Wolf. I main Snake in doubles though. (My Ike in doubles is better than in singles since his doubles game is different.)

ZZS is someone who I've began playing with... got my ass kicked by someone and got inspired by her game style. Too difficult though to mix up with other character's game.

My Marth is defensive based. I walk a lot, and hope for a tipper. Dtilt->DB. Fair a lot. (slowly using less and less Fsmash) DS out of shields a lot now. Dair (backside) for spike.

Snake plays differently much much. (but similar to my Ike, with the exception of specials)
Mortar slide -> Jab or Ftilt. C4 a lot! Utilt, Dtilt, and Nair, Bair, Uair. (Never Nikita and only proximity mine on accident by messing up mortar slide) Also, Cypher -> C4 recovery serves me a lot.

Ike plays like Snake. Nair, Uair, Fair. (I'm adding Bair more and more) Only Jabs, ftilt, utilt. Fsmash on punishment! (but scarcely) QD -> Jab (don't make contact with QD) Aether... and Eruption at high % for Super Armor Effect!

Pikachu. spam thunderbolt. Fair, Bair, Dair. Dsmash. Thunder. Quick Attack Cancel. 'nuff said. (I need to practice QAC and my pikachu would be reliable)

Link. Boost smash. Arrows/Arrow Cancel. Zair. Fsmash. Bombed Fsmash. Jab->Spin Slash.
(Bad recovery, ez gimp. Fun character though) Boomerang too!

Fox/Falco... guns baby. spam. Illusion recovery. (Falco's illusion spikes) Never Fire Fox/Falco... For Fox Shine stall to recover shield. Dash -> Shield. Grabs and Smashes... I don't tilt much with thiese characters yet.

Wolf too Smashes... he's undeveloped for me.

[Hentai719]

My main character is Samus and my second is Snake. Zero Suit is my third, but her trade off of power for speed isn't good enough for me anymore

[xeris2]

I'm pretty good at smash brothers ;)

My favorite character in brawl is LInk:biggthumpup:

PM me if anyone wants to play online sometime.

[Flarey]

My Marth is defensive based. I walk a lot, and hope for a tipper. Dtilt->DB. Fair a lot. (slowly using less and less Fsmash) DS out of shields a lot now. Dair (backside) for spike.

As a Marth player myself, I must say that is an interesting way to use him. I'm usually on the offensive with Marth, using primarily his Dancing Blade, F-Air, and N-Air. His N-Air particularly has a lot of range, priority, and duration, which helps against air dodging and works in mind games if the opponent tries to sneak behind you.

The Dancing Blade is one of his best moves, and can combo very easily into his normal attacks. You can try this combo that I use. Short hop into the first slash of the Dancing Blade, followed immediately by an U-Air without using your second jump. With its high priority, the initial slash should cancel whatever the opponent is doing and stun them, and even if they shield, the wide arc of the U-Air should catch them. The short hop distance will allow you to land just as the U-Air hits, and you can immediately land and cancel into a U-Tilt. The U-Tilt covers a very wide range, so it will hit even if they roll under you. If they managed to block all three moves, then their shields should be weakened enough for you to sneak in a D-Tilt to hit their feet. Then you can proceed to do whatever you want with them.

That is just one of the many strategies I use. ^_~

My main character is Samus and my second is Snake. Zero Suit is my third, but her trade off of power for speed isn't good enough for me anymore

That is why I like Zero Suit Samus better than the Power Suit version. ^_^

My playing style involves using fast, high priority moves to combo and juggle the opponent. I like to use the stun blasts from her Paralyzer to keep on the pressure, making it difficult for the opponent to counter attack. As their shield weaken from guarding against my offense, I can usually sneak in a D-Tilt under the shield and combo them in the air.

Zero Suit Samus truly excels in the air, with some of the highest priority aerials in the game. Using her Up-B, she can grab the opponents back into range if they are knocked back too far. The D-Smash has a surprisingly large range and it mixes well into mind games.

I'm pretty good at smash brothers ;)

When you say you are pretty good, that is very subjective to opinions. Try to explain what you do, your combos or strategies, and how you handle certain characters.

You would not believe how many people I have faced before claiming to be on pro level, even insulting some of the true professionals. A good number of them are people who spam the C-stick and projectiles, with no coherent strategy and whine when they die.

I'm sorry if you are actually are good, but I have seen too many of these posers, and they simply annoy me.

[xeris2]

As a Marth player myself, I must say that is an interesting way to use him. I'm usually on the offensive with Marth, using primarily his Dancing Blade, F-Air, and N-Air. His N-Air particularly has a lot of range, priority, and duration, which helps against air dodging and works in mind games if the opponent tries to sneak behind you.

The Dancing Blade is one of his best moves, and can combo very easily into his normal attacks. You can try this combo that I use. Short hop into the first slash of the Dancing Blade, followed immediately by an U-Air without using your second jump. With its high priority, the initial slash should cancel whatever the opponent is doing and stun them, and even if they shield, the wide arc of the U-Air should catch them. The short hop distance will allow you to land just as the U-Air hits, and you can immediately land and cancel into a U-Tilt. The U-Tilt covers a very wide range, so it will hit even if they roll under you. If they managed to block all three moves, then their shields should be weakened enough for you to sneak in a D-Tilt to hit their feet. Then you can proceed to do whatever you want with them.

That is just one of the many strategies I use. ^_~



That is why I like Zero Suit Samus better than the Power Suit version. ^_^

My playing style involves using fast, high priority moves to combo and juggle the opponent. I like to use the stun blasts from her Paralyzer to keep on the pressure, making it difficult for the opponent to counter attack. As their shield weaken from guarding against my offense, I can usually sneak in a D-Tilt under the shield and combo them in the air.

Zero Suit Samus truly excels in the air, with some of the highest priority aerials in the game. Using her Up-B, she can grab the opponents back into range if they are knocked back too far. The D-Smash has a surprisingly large range and it mixes well into mind games.



When you say you are pretty good, that is very subjective to opinions. Try to explain what you do, your combos or strategies, and how you handle certain characters.

You would not believe how many people I have faced before claiming to be on pro level, even insulting some of the true professionals. A good number of them are people who spam the C-stick and projectiles, with no coherent strategy and whine when they die.

I'm sorry if you are actually are good, but I have seen too many of these posers, and they simply annoy me.

As far as brawl goes I'm not that great but on the other 2 games I'm usually link and I can't really explain my combos sorry but I'm good in the average way and am in no way a professional. For example I can't wave dash. But as far as average users go I can beat all of them I'm just not at the professional level yet.

I can take on 3 level 9 cpu's but a: there not real and b:i'm sure you can do that no problem. This of course doesn't apply to brawl.

[Flarey]

The level 9 CPU of Brawl are a lot smarter than those of Melee. I actually think they pretty good warm ups, especially the Fox.

I personally do not use Link as a main character, nor do rest of my friends, so I cannot offer any strategies from experience. However, when I do play as him, I have noticed the effectiveness of his U-Tilt, which has high priority and range, and can catch opponents as they jump over your projectiles for an aerial attack.

But again, I'm not that experienced with projectile users. All of my main characters are close range fighters. DarkRunner00 seems to use Link quite well, so you can also ask him.

[xeris2]

Ok thanks a lot for the advice.

Have you ever played in any tournaments?

I played in a tournament once it was for Brawl and I had no idea what snake did so i lost.

[Flarey]

I have played in a few tournaments before, but nothing too official. Usually they are hosted by clubs at school, or by stores like Gamestop.

My friend and I usually go together. Out of my friends who actually play competitively, I rank as third strongest. As a result, that is usually the place I get in the tournaments, with me ending up losing to those who know me best.

The prizes are nothing spectacular either. I usually receive anywhere from 20 to 50 dollars for my trouble, although first place gets around one to two hundred.

But the thing that separates me from many of my friends is that they go to win, and kind of to show off. I go because I like to have fun, and to show that female gamers can be every bit as deadly as guys. In my group, there are only two girls, including myself. She is ranked at around tenth, and she does not attend too many tournaments.

I have learned that you get stronger as the people around you become stronger. The first place in our group is close to pro levels. In fact, he is the only person who has actually played in professional tournaments before, going up against the real pros. If I remember correctly, he fought against M2K once back in Melee.

[xeris2]

I have played in a few tournaments before, but nothing too official. Usually they are hosted by clubs at school, or by stores like Gamestop.

My friend and I usually go together. Out of my friends who actually play competitively, I rank as third strongest. As a result, that is usually the place I get in the tournaments, with me ending up losing to those who know me best.

The prizes are nothing spectacular either. I usually receive anywhere from 20 to 50 dollars for my trouble, although first place gets around one to two hundred.

But the thing that separates me from many of my friends is that they go to win, and kind of to show off. I go because I like to have fun, and to show that female gamers can be every bit as deadly as guys. In my group, there are only two girls, including myself. She is ranked at around tenth, and she does not attend too many tournaments.

I have learned that you get stronger as the people around you become stronger. The first place in our group is close to pro levels. In fact, he is the only person who has actually played in professional tournaments before, going up against the real pros. If I remember correctly, he fought against M2K once back in Melee.

Very nice.

It sounds like your really good, but for me it's all for the fun. So if you want to play online some time just let me know and we can arrange a time.

[onisnake]

well as long as were talking about strats i might as well for mine.

snake- he's my fun character, i dont usually play him srsly.

ike- he's mainly my doubles char or to throw people offguard. I play him as a rush style. *every tournament ive played doubles at has always had team attack on, i dont know if thats true for others or not* his 6b charge is a nasty move and should be spammed constiantly as it has the best recovry out of all of this moves and allow fo alot of set ups. i'd say hsi weakest point would be his wakeup game. 8a is another great move of his that i spam alot. But pretty much BnB with ike is all ya need


pit- my main character, what else do you do with him? he's a simple charcter who just needs to control the zone and the range. Projectile spamming is of course his major strength and the ability that he can control the entire stage. I spam projectiles and try to get people to mess up, them punish them for it. His wakeup is good, he has alot of spam moves, and his air a attacks are quite lethal


as for my personal strength- no one in my county comes close to beating me, so wether that says im strong or everyone else is weak is really just a matter of what you think i guess.

Also, evo2k8 has declared pretty much every stage and item legal now in their tournaments *which i personally like as it adds more fun* but others dont like this change so the question also is can you play with items? and without? or just one. *my opionen is that to be good you need to know how to play with all items, on all stages, and without items*

[Flarey]

When I play, sometimes we turn on the items at medium, but when we are actually honing our skills, we play by official tournament rules. That means three stocks no items, only tournament legal stages, team attack on if doubles, a time limit of 8-10 minutes depending on singles or doubles.

I must say that spamming moves is usually not a good idea. It gets predictable and exploitable, and the move will get weaker with every use. The game is designed to encourage diversity, so there are actually punishments for spamming.

For Pit, the arrows can easily be dodged, shielded, ducked, rolled, and crawled under. Any good player can see the split second Pit draws the arrow, as well as hear the sound, and the block accordingly. Even if you curve the arrow, the speed remains constant, and by judging the distance and detecting the start up, it is very easy to avoid them.

The Foward-B move is also very easy to predict. Again, there is a start up time, when Pit slightly moves back before charging forward. Depending on your relative position, it is very easy to roll back to avoid the attack, and then jump over to perform an aerial attack. If you are close enough, then it is also possible to roll behind for a grab or smash attack. The long duration of the attack, as well as the recoil makes it impossible for Pit to react.

Pit is capable of so much more than simple projectile spam and keep away. One of my friends mains Pit, and he relies more on his high priority aerials and tilts, using the moves with lag time very sparingly, like the arrows.

With the exception Sonic, whose strategy revolves around spin attacks, all the others characters should focus on their A moves, with the B moves being support. This applies even to weapon users like Snake and Link.

Try to mix up your strategy more, to throw off the opponent, and go on the offensive sometime.

[cykelmannen]

Any good tips on Pikachu? Been playing him since N64 but I'm still not that great

[Flarey]

To really learn how to use Pikachu effectively, you should try to master Quick Attack Cancel first. QAC opens up so many possibilities for combos, or simply transition into a close range smash attack.

It is really hard to explain QAC by words, so I suggest you look up a video of it on Youtube. You should understand it better seeing it in action.

Another thing with Pikachu is learning how to predict Thunders. This involves a lot of mind games, so it really comes with experience.

[ReggeaGandalf]

my favourite fighters are Ike and Pit. The best 2 charackters in this game for me

[onisnake]

pit also has the ability to change how long he charges, and can then mix up his arrows. I have yet to see ANYONe be able to stop ever arrow, and even then, they can be used for a diversion, set-up, it plays a huge part in his mix-up game. and while people may think they can dodge it easily, ive noticed they normally dont, even if it's spammed in their face, due to the fact pit can change when, how, and where he shoots it. *since every one plays only on fd these days, this makes hsi arrow spamming a hiugher priority* you use his arrows to control the flow of the battle in your favor. Make them second guess when your going to hit, sometimes you even miss on purpose to create a set up. course thats just his arrow game, and the character you fight determines what game he plays *like fox and fox are a bit different, same with snake and meta knight* Zelda is easy arrow bait. Every zelda player i play usually gets hit by about 15 arrow before they relize that trying to deflect it is useless.

[DarkRunner00]

I've been skimming over the WALLS of text so I've easily skipped a few sets of text.

I've gone to a couple of tourneys. BIO was 2 weeks ago on the west coast. and West Coast Majors is at the end of this month. each having about 100 contestants... crazy stuff went down. Didn't get far...

CPUs in brawl are smarter in general... i've had lvl 3's edge hog me. Haha.

9's are great for warmups... with the exception of lvl 9 Ike's Snakes... a few others.

Say for instance... Lvl 9 Ikes. Wait at the edge and throw them off. They'll die usually since they'll Air Dodge or attack on accident and then get F*ed up before they can Aether. CPU Snakes don't play well... (do same thing as Ike usually) ALSO

SNAKE'S CYPHER CAN BE GRABBED (vs. Wario BITE off) when this happens Snakes can't cypher again. so =) its a nice glitch (rather than attacking them out of cypher; giving them 2nd cypher grab that thing and let 'em fall)

Snake is tricky... spam projectiles... and keep your distance. His Ftilt, Utilt, and last hit of Nair has broken range. You can test the distance in Training mode. 2nd hit of ftilt hits air about 1 inch or 1/2 (relative to screen) Nair's last hit is long. just jump and make sure you don't make contact with the first 3 hits. 4rth WILL HIT even if the first 3 didn't land.

(tourney advice) NEVER LET ANY SNAKE USE SMASHVILLE. C4 is Snake's tool. Try to not let snakes counter pick with stages that have platforms (Lylat, Battlefield, Yoshi... basically everystage) haha. C4 is planted on platforms usually. So you can be under the platform and c4 will splash on you and kill you. SMASHVILLE's platform moves which will force you to pay attention to an aditional moving bomb...

Learn to space yourself against snakes who "grenade counter"... which is pulling out a grenade, shield. Your attack will set off grenade hit you and Snake, but Snake's shield negates damage and knockback.

Mortar Slide will grab stuff while moving. ie. Bananas from diddy, bombs (TL), ZZS armor pieces... though not fully viable for snakes keep that in mind.

Also, Snakes on platforms can bodyslam you via Bair. (dropping down from platform and immediately initiating a Bair.) 2 things happen, Snake lays ON the platform (still having hitboxes) or Snake falls through the platform and body slams.

BAIR's HITBOXES IS HIS WHOLE BODY HEAD TO TOE. so don't be fooled by a 'headbutt'

Utilt will start killing the roster at 80% um... that's my snake 2 cents atm... (my snake's actually progressivly getting worse, and so is my marth...)

Oh, ya make sure if you can get snake to 120% and just pressure them off stage... c4 recovery (cypher -> c4 -> cypher) will not be viable... it WILL kill them. (so will a faulty grenade counter; grenade counter with snake not shielding)

ASSSSSSSS FOR LINK...

here's a link: good stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0u3sUOShcI

one thing good to know after this video is for BOMBED FSMASH...
it uses it directly out of a bomb withdrawal...

you can reinitiate a bombed fsmash if you use a bow or boomerang while holding A...

Arrow cancel is hard to do by itself, so use the attacks to link them to an arrow cancel.

and for Boostsmash... i say learn snake's boostsmash aka mortar slide first. It's easier.

Link is a very hard character with a steep learning curve and imo low payback. Don't Up B recovery (only for times about to be edgeguard, but that involves timing, yeh?) um. Tether recovery a lot.

and don't do off stage edgeguards... use your boomerang... and edgehog via tether ledgedrop -> z-> z

=)

2 cents for link...

I play aggressively... i didn't mean to give an impression that i just just walk and fmash...
but starting 70% (depending on weightclass) i start aiming for a tip... because it'll start killing... Utilt and Uair are just as viable.. and so is Nair and Bair and Fiar... fresh anything will kill when tipped at 70%...

I forgot an important thing about marth... DANCING BLADE is the sexiest thing ever!!!

Flarey cover a few things I think.
but it comes out 4 FRAMES 4!!!!!! that comes out FAST... like my last husband... (jk i'm a dood.)

use this to refresh attacks. Since Brawl has a deteriorate system with spamming attacks... when Fairing a lot, (count to 7 times, but refresh by 4, really) use DB to refresh...

[omega 17]

i would have to say toon link and bowser tho pit is ok

[DarkRunner00]

pit also has the ability to change how long he charges, and can then mix up his arrows. I have yet to see ANYONe be able to stop ever arrow, and even then, they can be used for a diversion, set-up, it plays a huge part in his mix-up game. and while people may think they can dodge it easily, ive noticed they normally dont, even if it's spammed in their face, due to the fact pit can change when, how, and where he shoots it. *since every one plays only on fd these days, this makes hsi arrow spamming a hiugher priority* you use his arrows to control the flow of the battle in your favor. Make them second guess when your going to hit, sometimes you even miss on purpose to create a set up. course thats just his arrow game, and the character you fight determines what game he plays *like fox and fox are a bit different, same with snake and meta knight* Zelda is easy arrow bait. Every zelda player i play usually gets hit by about 15 arrow before they relize that trying to deflect it is useless.

Marth can Fair away pit's arrows. Lots of people can fan such projectiles.
Link's shield will block that... (and they can duck if you bend your arrow down) D3 will waddle dee spam you and make body walls... Spacies reflect... Pit dittos will either side b or down b.

Arrow zoning isn't that good with competitive players... you can probably get 10% until they'll punish you...

Snake can just stand and jab and cancels arrows.

Though Pit's Arrows are good for Zoning... they're not that good... they come out pretty slow and... people can just dash -> shield or SHAD (short hop air dodge) and pits close range combat isn't AMAZING... they're better than few people... but they have short hitboxes and don't do much knockback... They won't have to second guess...

characters with prown (snake, pika, shiek) can crawl to u and time to shield) you may want to Fsmash or such to punish them crawling, but they'll shiled or roll behind you and punish you.

ah, and about his arrows... you can shoot four and loop them to do a arrow storm... it's hard to pull off and leaves you open for a while (like PK thunder would do) you can do it with one arrow and loop it around the whole stage...

Pit is also great with SHFair or Glide -> Fair!
but Pit's not my cup of tea...

HAHA, no offense, but you must not be playing good zeldas... and if you're talking about mind games and second guessing... Zelda's teleport is one of the best mind games in brawl... (but banned because its typically a stall)

Good zeldas either play as Zelda all the time or play as Shiek when you're 0-100% and then they din's fire your ass

Metaknight! I hate him. (versing him)

[Flarey]

Most new players look at Pit and scream broken. It is true that Pit has one of the better projectiles in the game, one that can be controlled and does not disappear after a certain distance. But in the end, projectiles are still projectiles, and there are ways to easily get pass them.

One of the main reasons people fear the arrows is because they panic and allow the arrows to disrupt their flow. When people are shot at, they tend to try to rush in to stop Pit from shooting more, and often times they do so very carelessly, allowing Pit to counterattack. But any competitive player knows that those arrows are still mere projectiles, and they are incapable of killing you, unlike the Charge Shot of Samus. As long as you focus on your own game and not fall into the disruptive strategies of Pit, then it is a very simple matter to judge the incoming arrows and block accordingly, all the while advancing slowly.

As you close in, you are reducing the comfort zone that Pit is trying to keep with the arrows. So by keeping your cool, you are actually putting pressure on the Pit, because you are rendering his projectiles useless. At the same time, Pit is weakening his own attack by using it to much.

Keep away strategies do not work, for the simple reason that they prey on the weak minded. Against a competitive player, who can keep his mind focus on Pit, instead of the arrows, then there is nothing to panic over.

All of my friends know this, and projectiles in general, whether they be arrows, lasers, or missiles, do not work on us. It has been a while since I have taken over 10% damage total in a match by projectile spamming, and that is only when I sacrifice some life to land severe blows on the opponent.

[Flarey]

Good zeldas either play as Zelda all the time or play as Shiek when you're 0-100% and then they din's fire your ass

Metaknight! I hate him. (versing him)

Zelda is a little bit harder to approach in my opinion. Din's Fire is not something that can be parried away, and the explosion can kill you. Not to mention, it takes a chunk out of your shield. I usually have to air dodge or side step to avoid it, although a dashing shield grab works nicely too.

She also has disjointed hit boxes and high priority, so even up close she is very deadly. The kick also comes out insanely fast, although luckily the sweet spot frame is much shorter than before.

I also have trouble with Meta Knight sometimes, especially using Zero Suit Samus. Meta Knight probably has one of the highest priority in the game, and his attack cover every angle.

[DarkRunner00]

Zelda is a great character... I'd love to learn her... but i'm getting too diverse and my main Snake/Marth game is going down the toilet...

Din's Fire... avoid on the ground... Dash -> Shield... it is the only viable escape from Din's fire... They can control when it explodes and good players will wait till you airdodge... and if you don't airdodge you'll get punished by Din's and if you you airdodge you'll land into a smash or a grab...

Though, her Usmash is escapable... her disjointed hitboxes don't help...

Some projectiles do disrupt flow... and cause uncomfortablity... most projectiles can be fanned (except bombs, nades, lasers (i think), charged aura, charged samus shot)
Bombs and Nades damage on contact forcing players to do what they don't want to do to avoid the explosion which... is pressure, leaving openings.

Lasers (wolf, ZZS, Falco) stun on contact... and you can't just tank the damage... forcing you to crawl, SHAD, or roll.... or just get vulnerable...

Thats why they're called traps.

Snake plays his game merely on traps and punish. (PLUS THE FACT HIS BROKEN CQC RANGE, irony)
That's Pit's game. Falcos, ZZS (the ones I've seen), Wolfs... they're game is based on projectile zoning and trapping... They punish you upon approach...

Snakes is fancy zoning with C4 and grenade cooking... =)

Link has a weak projectile zoning... Boomer and Arrows are fannable... Bombs hurt you too...

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Someone wanted pika advice?

Two things first. You need to know how to QAC. You need to be able to follow with your Fairs and Bairs...

You should dash less and less. Your mode of transportation is QAC. you can control the distance. Master it.

Spamming Game:

Approach with Fair and body slam them (meaning iniatiate Fair above them and fastfall)
Also use fair to punish them trying to approach. Spam thunderbolt. Run away. and Spam.
(then use fair and run again)

Aggresive Game:

QAC to destination. Dsmash! (competive players can DI out of it but don't worry its a good 8-12%)

ONLY FSMASH when YOU KNOW IT"LL LAND AND ONLY TO PUNISH THEM!

CHAINGRAB...

all spacies = chaingrab to 60-80%... at those % Usmash and QAC underthem and Thunder... if down correctly it's inescapeable even if they try to DI... (its actually hard to pull off)

Don't use skullbash. You can, starting 80% it'll kill. But it's laggy and I just don't like it or trust it.

Dair is amazing. Use it to space. It stuns and has high priority. It's a good QAC accident. If you try to Dsmash too soon after a QAC it'll Dair... and don't sweat it. Dair's disjointed hitboxes are good!

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If metaknight whore their b's... sheild and wait and punish. VERY FEW TIMES can you outprioitize his attacks.

Also. Marth's counter does a strange hitlag if he counters Meta's tornado (and makes no contact) this will leave you a second to space and tip him to death.

Metaknights also have the infinite cape... and that isn't banned... so careful. It's a godly approach.

[Flarey]

Against the projectiles that cannot be deflected easily, like lasers, I usually just perfect shield each one. When I'm close enough, sometimes I grab out of a perfect shield, or to mix things up, I roll behind them and perform a high priority attack, like the Dolphin Slash.

[sheut]

You know, it's kinda funny. I've already seen a few posts that mentioned this game, so I'm kinda surprised no one made this here thread. I figure anyone who plays online should damn well post there stupid little friend code thingy (nintendo needs lessons on online play, I'm sorry to say.)

mine is.... 2363-5297-5320 and I usually play as Ness these days... used to be G&W but he's too godly lol needed a change. I'm not one of those crazy, insane, know-every-trick-in-the-book players, but people tell me I'm pretty decent. Oh one warning though, My signal may be crap... I dunno my router used to be basically behind my fridge but I moved it... yet to test er out though.:01:

[sheut]

P.S. I'm one of those rare birds who doesn't use a Game Cube controller. Shocker!

[IIA]

we do. you should pay attention. and I too use the wiimote and nunchuk combo, not the controller

[sheut]

wow i totally missed this thread somehow... My eyes must be going in my uber old age ;) haha magine. I love brawl... and I totally agree shinichi, if not a tourny than at least exchange codes (for those who are able anywho... poor Flarey.)

Oh and since you all know Ness is my mainer... you should also know I dislike Pit lol. My least favorite character ever, but luckly the spaming of arrows doesn't apply to ness or lucas players

[gragnar]

i think I'm best with Marth but i can beat my friends with any character even yoshi

[Flarey]

One of my friends used to main Yoshi, before he switched to Sonic. He is one of the medium-weak people on our team, but he can still hold his own.

Yoshi can rack up damage pretty quickly, but he lacks high priority moves and fast kill moves.

[datret]

I'm a Captain Falcon user along with Snake.

[Flarey]

"YES!" ~ Douglas Jay Falcon

For those who don't know, that is Captain Falcon's real name. XD

[Flarey]

Oddly enough, by statistics of tournament victories, Captain Falcon is actually at the bottom of the Brawl tier list.

Meta Knight is at the top, unsurprisingly, because he has no real bad match-ups. Snake and King Dedede are second and third, as expected.

But what is most surprisingly is that Mr. Game & Watch is actually ranked fourth on the tier list, higher even than Falco and Marth.

[kikinak]

Meta Knight. Just, Meta Knight. Never before has so much sheer badassery been rolled into a species known for being cute.

[zer0]

I use Ike, Snake, and Ganondorf for fun matches. I can lay some heavy damage on ppl with those guys and out match ppl in speed as well, supriseingly. But when I get serious, I use Toon Link. An equal balance of speed and power. I've tried playing online, but I've always gotten laggy matches which really sucks cause I have to get used to the controls again. I too, use the Wiimote, both with the nunchuk and by itself.

[llcool]

Much love to jigglypuff. I crush with that lil' guy

[d.johnsson]

my favs are Fox, Snake and Ike.
too bad they had to kick Mewto out of the game, he was one of my favs in meelee :(

[jmaster]

I use Peach, Zelda, Shiek, Snake, and CAPTAIN FALCON!

[Mislead Prophet]

I'm a user of anybody. I often like to just use random, cause I don't like being held down to one character and that weakness...

Sadly, most games I do have a favorite but for some reason, I don't in this one.

I like Ike, but I'm destroyed easily cause I can't stand his slowness. Link I always enjoyed, but he has obvious draw backs. And ironic enough, I can't play Sonic too well because he's too fast.

My all around best would normally be Wolf, only because I learned how to play Fox and Falco to combat my friend who was ALWAYS Fox.

[Metrevil]

I like to use Snake most, followed by R.O.B and Weegee. I usually play as Luigi when I'm just playing for fun, as his character is so wacky and messed that I have fun even when I loose.
The guy I hate most is probably Sonic. Sure Pit can get pretty cheap, but Sonic is a real pain.

[d.johnsson]

did anyone beat the 15-minute brawl?
it's pretty hard, it was way easier in melee

[zer0]

I actually did. it was a bitch to do, and I think it took me 20 to 30 tries just to beat it.

[d.johnsson]

i beat the 15-minute-brawl yesterday with Marth.
after about 2 minutes i started to jump around the stage and avoid combat and i finally succeeded in beating that mode ^^

[Flarey]

did anyone beat the 15-minute brawl?
it's pretty hard, it was way easier in melee

It's actually not that hard if you choose a floater, like Kirby or Meta Knight.

What is a real pain is collecting every sticker in the game. Took my friends and I almost three months to get them all.

[zer0]

I still haven't collected all the trophies and stickers. The most I've gotten in trophies and Stickers are 467/300.

[zer0]

Too bad you don't have wifi for you to play online Flarey, wish I could play you to see if I could fair wel against you, though my net is kinda crappy.

[Flarey]

Yeah, the school blocks Wi-Fi access...

I have a few new things I want to test out with Marth and Zero Suit Samus. Theoretically, they should work, but until I actually try them, I don't know if I can incorporate them into my normal play.

[d.johnsson]

What is a real pain is collecting every sticker in the game. Took my friends and I almost three months to get them all.

Wow, all the stickers and trophies - that's kinda amazing ;)
How long did it take you to beat the subspace emissary?

[Flarey]

Not that long actually, the first time through was about a week, on Normal difficulty. We all switched off, playing our respective characters.

Afterwards, we went back and completed everything again on Intense difficulty, and made sure to get 100% completion.

[zer0]

it took me 3 days to beat on hard mode.

[Flarey]

Heh, we usually get bored after an hour or two of Subspace, and then just go back to regular matches. That's why it took about a week. ^^;;

[d.johnsson]

I needed one and a half week to complete the subspace mode.
One week for the levels and three days for the battle against Taboo (it took me 3 days to figure out how to dodge his instant-killing-rays ;P)

[zer0]

Yeah, I kinda went through that problem, but I some how manage to control that urge.

[d.johnsson]

Even harder than just defeating him was turning him into a trophy during the battle.

[Flarey]

Turning Meta Ridley into a trophy was also kind of tricky.

The first time we turned him, we failed to grab the trophy before it fell. Only on the second time did successfully caught the trophy in the air.

[d.johnsson]

Meta Ridley was really hard to turn into a trophy. He's not a hard boss but the time limit was freaking me out.

[Flarey]

The single fastest way to defeat Meta Ridley is to use Fox, when in Boss Rush mode.

The fireballs that Meta Ridley shoots are reflectable, so when it roars to signify the coming attack, jump right in front of his mouth and reflect all of the shots back. Depending on the difficulty mode, it could even take him down in one turn if you do it correctly.

[d.johnsson]

Fox is also my first choice for the boss rush mode, not only because of his reflector. He's very quick and it's easy to do recovery moves with Fox. His blaster is also useful for long-range attacks in that mode.

[Flarey]

My personal choice for Boss Rush mode is Marth. His sword allows him to hit opponents during their attack without endangering his actual body. Also, in times when it is too late to avoid attacks, he can simply use Counter.

I was able to beat Boss Rush on Intense difficulty without using a single recovery heart with Marth. The only damage I took was from Porky when he performed the rapid stabbing move, and when Rayquaza used Thunder.

[onestar13]

i use pikachu and link

[cosmicmenace]

I use Dark Link. Usualy thats it. I have gotten pretty good with him but im still better with Marth for some reason even though I dont use him that much

[kingsakdf]

Id say that yoshi and fox are my best characters ( fox mainly) he moves fast and his laser does easy damage. is there a way for people to connect and play? i never really tried online gaming on it except for mario kart

[cosmicmenace]

I really dont know... that would be cool since half the people on here say there good and I would like to see how good you all are. Especial Flarey-Sama since the only damage she took was against Porky and Rayquaza

[Flarey]

I will try to record some of my matches.

[cosmicmenace]

cool. I look forward to it

[Ryoga_Kiwamu]

me too^^

[zer0]

I've lost my edge since I haven't touched brawl in like half a year., I was kick ass though during melee and early brawl. Hell I remember beating Boss rush mode with Ike, with a little more than over 100% damage no recov on hard .